1 00:00:19,130 --> 00:00:11,950 [Music] 2 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:19,140 UFO Bros hey everyone is Giorgio 3 00:00:27,849 --> 00:00:21,210 tsoukalos from ancient aliens and you're 4 00:00:34,610 --> 00:00:31,339 good evening this is Amit and it's Joe 5 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:34,620 and we are the UF o burro 6 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:40,710 Rose and guess we've been waiting 7 00:00:45,380 --> 00:00:42,210 waiting and waiting and we're gonna 8 00:00:49,010 --> 00:00:45,390 bring them on here in just a few minutes 9 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:49,020 but first we're gonna talk about holy 10 00:00:55,010 --> 00:00:52,170 moley Joe the amount of new followers we 11 00:00:57,229 --> 00:00:55,020 have on Facebook exploded Instagram 12 00:00:59,060 --> 00:00:57,239 Twitter thank you all so very much for 13 00:01:02,090 --> 00:00:59,070 all the subscribers and supporters we 14 00:01:04,490 --> 00:01:02,100 have and a couple new one patreon oh 15 00:01:06,890 --> 00:01:04,500 yeah we have a new patron so thank you 16 00:01:09,350 --> 00:01:06,900 and by the way for all of you who are 17 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:09,360 maybe new to this and just listening you 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:12,390 can follow us on all things social media 19 00:01:18,740 --> 00:01:15,930 at UF Oh Bros TV except for Twitter Joe 20 00:01:22,010 --> 00:01:18,750 which is uf0 21 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:22,020 Bros TV that's right that's the really 22 00:01:30,260 --> 00:01:26,250 handle that's not consistent it drives 23 00:01:33,289 --> 00:01:30,270 me crazy but that's a fishy OCD yes so 24 00:01:36,530 --> 00:01:33,299 you guys we're just rolling along here 25 00:01:38,210 --> 00:01:36,540 we're preparing for a new voyage which 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:38,220 we'll be talking about soon really 27 00:01:44,749 --> 00:01:41,850 excited about it and today though this 28 00:01:47,990 --> 00:01:44,759 is super great we've got dr. Jerry crop 29 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:48,000 on the show and before I bring him on 30 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:50,369 cuz he's so patiently waiting I wanted 31 00:01:55,249 --> 00:01:52,530 to tell you know our listeners Joe how I 32 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:55,259 found it I found out about it yeah I 33 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:00,240 found out about him so as you all know I 34 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:03,600 love Roswell it's like my most favorite 35 00:02:09,139 --> 00:02:07,439 UFO alien topic to talk about we've been 36 00:02:12,770 --> 00:02:09,149 there okay 37 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:12,780 we slept in the field where the UFO had 38 00:02:16,490 --> 00:02:14,160 supposedly crashed 39 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:16,500 I had Wi-Fi good Wi-Fi in the middle of 40 00:02:28,009 --> 00:02:18,450 nowhere 41 00:02:33,619 --> 00:02:28,019 like we got a few people on chat to stay 42 00:02:36,170 --> 00:02:33,629 with them and by the way as we speak 43 00:02:37,610 --> 00:02:36,180 with with dr. Crocker we're gonna ask 44 00:02:39,559 --> 00:02:37,620 you guys if you're on the chatroom 45 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:39,569 feel free to shoot any questions you 46 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:41,519 might have I'm sure he'll be more than 47 00:02:46,069 --> 00:02:43,110 happy to see if he can chime in and 48 00:02:48,910 --> 00:02:46,079 answer them so here's the story I spent 49 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:48,920 about do it two weeks probably 50 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:51,209 researching everything I could possibly 51 00:02:57,860 --> 00:02:55,410 find on Roswell and specifically I was 52 00:03:00,350 --> 00:02:57,870 looking into the memory medal and for 53 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:00,360 those of you who are not familiar with 54 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:03,360 the Roswell story one of the things that 55 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:06,209 was supposedly retrieved from a crashed 56 00:03:12,289 --> 00:03:09,420 alien spacecraft that had crashed in the 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:12,299 plains of Rock area near Roswell New 58 00:03:20,259 --> 00:03:16,170 Mexico 1947 as you know as it were as it 59 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:20,269 were along with aliens and things an 60 00:03:27,259 --> 00:03:24,239 extraordinary sort of medal was picked 61 00:03:30,349 --> 00:03:27,269 up and handled by quite a few people who 62 00:03:31,940 --> 00:03:30,359 have testified and even signed subpoenas 63 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:31,950 and things like that believe it or not I 64 00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:32,970 don't know what that does but 65 00:03:39,460 --> 00:03:35,670 Sabinas yes sometimes you need some 66 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:39,470 penis sometimes you up sir uh hey wait 67 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:42,959 subpoena I don't know why they would do 68 00:03:50,210 --> 00:03:46,230 that but it's interesting because this 69 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:50,220 metal supposedly super thin and you 70 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:53,040 can't eat crinkle it it just you can't 71 00:03:57,710 --> 00:03:55,380 you can't like you can't put a crease in 72 00:04:01,009 --> 00:03:57,720 it you can't cut it you can't burn it 73 00:04:04,580 --> 00:04:01,019 and dab it can't daddy you can't stand 74 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:04,590 it uh sorry I got on a roll there but 75 00:04:10,490 --> 00:04:06,750 here's a really cool thing Joe dr. 76 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:10,500 Krauss is I think in my research the 77 00:04:16,580 --> 00:04:13,530 only person that's researched it it not 78 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:16,590 only is probably well he he's like 79 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:18,329 reached out to so many people I'm gonna 80 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:19,919 let him tell this story about kind of 81 00:04:25,210 --> 00:04:22,520 like where he's at now but 82 00:04:28,270 --> 00:04:25,220 here's the basic story in the 60s he 83 00:04:30,999 --> 00:04:28,280 handled something very similar to the 84 00:04:32,710 --> 00:04:31,009 Roswell material at least in the way 85 00:04:35,649 --> 00:04:32,720 that it behaved and I'm gonna kind of 86 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:35,659 let him talk about that so without 87 00:04:44,409 --> 00:04:39,650 further ado let me make sure I have to 88 00:04:46,869 --> 00:04:44,419 unmute him first all right you guys I'm 89 00:04:50,860 --> 00:04:46,879 really super excited so if you guys can 90 00:04:52,689 --> 00:04:50,870 please give a huge welcome to dr. Gerry 91 00:05:00,480 --> 00:04:52,699 Crotty was now on the show thank you so 92 00:05:06,700 --> 00:05:04,659 you there dr. Crawford yeah oh I lost 93 00:05:10,899 --> 00:05:06,710 you for a second oh it must be the 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:10,909 authorities they don't want us to talk 95 00:05:16,540 --> 00:05:14,930 about your recent findings so oh man I 96 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:16,550 just want to tell you I'm so happy to 97 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:19,250 have you on the show Joe and I our mind 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:23,110 was blown when we were watching the 99 00:05:28,450 --> 00:05:25,370 amazing lecture you have on YouTube 100 00:05:30,459 --> 00:05:28,460 which by the way I recommend anybody 101 00:05:34,059 --> 00:05:30,469 interested in this topic 102 00:05:38,050 --> 00:05:34,069 not just Roswell but the UFO aliens sort 103 00:05:39,909 --> 00:05:38,060 of phenomenon and you know the secrets 104 00:05:41,589 --> 00:05:39,919 that are being kept within the 105 00:05:43,899 --> 00:05:41,599 government that sort of thing you got to 106 00:05:48,550 --> 00:05:43,909 watch this lecture I personally think 107 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:48,560 it's the best one on YouTube so if what 108 00:05:54,249 --> 00:05:50,210 we'll do is we'll post it on our yes 109 00:05:56,769 --> 00:05:54,259 media it's a fantastic lecture so now 110 00:05:59,200 --> 00:05:56,779 dr. Krauss we run into each other I 111 00:06:01,540 --> 00:05:59,210 think in a forum I got your email from 112 00:06:04,629 --> 00:06:01,550 somewhere because you had started making 113 00:06:08,350 --> 00:06:04,639 some progress on kind of finding the 114 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:08,360 earthly maybe I guess explanation for 115 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:10,250 some of these characteristics of this 116 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:12,529 metal will you tell us what happened in 117 00:06:17,170 --> 00:06:14,330 the 60s that really piqued your 118 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:17,180 curiosity and then how I sent Lee you 119 00:06:21,939 --> 00:06:19,490 tied that together all right so imagine 120 00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:21,949 I'm right out of college you know I 121 00:06:28,059 --> 00:06:23,870 don't know I don't even have my Master's 122 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:28,069 yet or ly PhD and I'm teaching I thought 123 00:06:32,709 --> 00:06:29,840 I was teaching fourth grade turns out I 124 00:06:36,340 --> 00:06:32,719 was teaching fifth grade and this little 125 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:36,350 girl comes up to me and she says can I 126 00:06:42,130 --> 00:06:39,050 he says can I show you this and I said 127 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:42,140 sure and she showed me a five by five 128 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:45,410 inch piece of what looked like aluminum 129 00:06:53,740 --> 00:06:49,490 foil and I I said oh okay she said okay 130 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:53,750 squeeze it so I crushed it and then she 131 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:56,210 said okay let it go and I let it go and 132 00:07:02,410 --> 00:06:58,970 it completely opened up and went back to 133 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:02,420 its original flat five by five in shape 134 00:07:09,250 --> 00:07:05,260 and I said that's not aluminum foil 135 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:09,260 aluminum foil doesn't do that and then 136 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:12,710 she said well tried to cut it I said is 137 00:07:18,190 --> 00:07:15,110 that okay with your daddy and she said 138 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:18,200 yeah so I had I was a teacher and I had 139 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:21,710 like 35 kids in my class I was just 140 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:24,200 right out of college and so I had like 141 00:07:29,410 --> 00:07:26,690 lots of different scissors and I tried 142 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:29,420 to cut it it wouldn't cut it just bent I 143 00:07:35,290 --> 00:07:32,870 had I thought wow she said well try to 144 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:35,300 put a hole in it I said is that okay 145 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:38,810 okay yeah so I jammed a ballpoint pen 146 00:07:44,470 --> 00:07:41,450 and then I dammed a piece of metal in it 147 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:44,480 nothing it would just it was I mean this 148 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:47,510 stuff was the thickness of a piece of 149 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:50,570 20-pound stationery but it was silvery 150 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:53,300 on the front and a little bit grayish on 151 00:08:00,250 --> 00:07:56,330 the back and it was somewhat rubbery so 152 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:00,260 I never thought a thing about I thought 153 00:08:05,980 --> 00:08:03,530 her father works for NASA it's a piece 154 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:05,990 of material that's being developed this 155 00:08:14,830 --> 00:08:09,290 was what 1965 and I never thought about 156 00:08:18,510 --> 00:08:14,840 it again until around 2008 I was writing 157 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:18,520 a book on my first book on aliens and 158 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:21,020 extraterrestrials and I'm reading this 159 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:23,890 crazy book by a man named Philip Corso 160 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:27,110 who said he was at Roswell just like you 161 00:08:33,909 --> 00:08:31,460 were except he was there in 1947 and I'm 162 00:08:34,750 --> 00:08:33,919 reading this book and I think this man 163 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:34,760 is nuts 164 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:37,729 he's crazy he's talking about aliens and 165 00:08:42,339 --> 00:08:39,919 they crash-landed and there were three 166 00:08:44,020 --> 00:08:42,349 bodies and the airport there was one 167 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:44,030 that was trying to crawl out of a hole 168 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:47,210 and the Air Force shot him and they did 169 00:08:50,650 --> 00:08:49,370 autopsies on them they were about three 170 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:50,660 and a half feet tall 171 00:08:56,890 --> 00:08:53,690 large-headed and i said why why are you 172 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:56,900 reading this are you you've lost your 173 00:09:01,930 --> 00:08:58,370 mind you're a professor in a university 174 00:09:07,660 --> 00:09:01,940 you know and then I read this paragraph 175 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:07,670 and I swear I in my tracks I was in San 176 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:11,390 Diego and it said when we were at the 177 00:09:18,610 --> 00:09:15,020 crash site we found this material that 178 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:18,620 was 5 inches by 5 inches if you crushed 179 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:21,890 it it would open up immediately if you 180 00:09:29,710 --> 00:09:24,530 tried to cut it you couldn't if you 181 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:29,720 tried to stab it without anything it you 182 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:32,450 could not puncture it and I said oh my 183 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:36,710 god I had that in my hands I had that in 184 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:42,170 my hands I don't know 40 50 55 some 42 185 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:45,590 years ago Wow and it gives me a chance 186 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:49,220 when I gave me chills I mean I said oh 187 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:53,090 my god this guy is not nuts he what the 188 00:09:58,420 --> 00:09:56,000 man was 80 80 years old he was writing 189 00:10:01,650 --> 00:09:58,430 this book and I thought what if this man 190 00:10:05,290 --> 00:10:01,660 is telling the truth that means that a 191 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:05,300 spacecraft crashed that means that there 192 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:08,510 were three aliens that means that the 193 00:10:14,220 --> 00:10:10,610 Air Force covered it up that means that 194 00:10:17,590 --> 00:10:14,230 this material that I held in my hands I 195 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:17,600 actually never ever saw this material 196 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:19,970 again I mean if this was some kind of 197 00:10:25,930 --> 00:10:22,910 commercial product where is it I haven't 198 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:25,940 I've never seen it or touched it it's 199 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:29,890 not Kevlar it's not mylar so that's the 200 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:31,970 that's the beginning of this story 201 00:10:37,450 --> 00:10:34,490 there's much more so what's your next 202 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:37,460 question well I was just gonna say you 203 00:10:42,370 --> 00:10:39,290 are probably even though it was in the 204 00:10:44,650 --> 00:10:42,380 60s I think the most recent person 205 00:10:46,690 --> 00:10:44,660 actually to have had their hands on a 206 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:46,700 material with that characteristics I 207 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:48,650 mean I haven't heard anybody recently 208 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:52,490 say oh yeah I handle only you and I 209 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:54,890 wanted to ask you just want to go back a 210 00:10:59,560 --> 00:10:56,990 little bit cuz you said that when you 211 00:11:01,329 --> 00:10:59,570 try to cut it it would Bend could you 212 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:01,339 expand on that a little bit what you 213 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:03,680 mean by it would Bend 214 00:11:09,380 --> 00:11:06,510 but let's say you had a pair of scissors 215 00:11:11,450 --> 00:11:09,390 that were completely dull okay and then 216 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:11,460 that you tried to cut a piece of paper 217 00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:13,890 what would happen if you cut a piece of 218 00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:17,880 paper with totally dull scissors if you 219 00:11:23,270 --> 00:11:19,740 just probably fly it would it would just 220 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:23,280 mean the weight exactly except I had 221 00:11:28,670 --> 00:11:25,830 very very sharp scissors but I could not 222 00:11:31,730 --> 00:11:28,680 cut this material it would it flopped it 223 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:31,740 it bent it would not cut you couldn't 224 00:11:35,660 --> 00:11:33,390 puncture it you couldn't do anything 225 00:11:39,230 --> 00:11:35,670 with it and by the way I'm not the last 226 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:39,240 person I discovered two people in Ohio 227 00:11:46,340 --> 00:11:43,790 who had touched this material in 1977 ah 228 00:11:50,180 --> 00:11:46,350 hmm Wow 229 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:50,190 the mystery deepens yeah that's in my 230 00:11:56,140 --> 00:11:53,370 book I found this I have this great 231 00:12:00,470 --> 00:11:56,150 great investigator named Tony bara Galia 232 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:00,480 who's a UFO guy and I got in touch with 233 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:03,750 him and I said who else has touched this 234 00:12:09,050 --> 00:12:06,600 because there are 37 people in my book 235 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:09,060 who held this material in their hands 236 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:10,980 now is this a new book or is it 237 00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:12,180 currently out because we'd like to talk 238 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:14,880 about that to make sure people know it's 239 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:17,240 brand-new right out it's called 240 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:19,680 extraterrestrial contacts the Roswell 241 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:23,670 fly foiled UFOs and how they alter our 242 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:25,710 understanding of the modern world 243 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:30,060 just cross extraterrestrial contacts so 244 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:33,570 it's a brand-new book okay so back to 245 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:38,760 this investigation there was a girl in 246 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:43,190 Ohio who discovered this and her uncle 247 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:47,310 whose name was Harold if hland came over 248 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:52,050 on 19 in 1977 to her house and he showed 249 00:12:56,330 --> 00:12:54,270 her this material and she was playing 250 00:12:59,150 --> 00:12:56,340 with it and she did the same thing that 251 00:13:01,400 --> 00:12:59,160 I did she rolled it up she tried to cut 252 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:01,410 it in the whole thing and he took it 253 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:04,860 back and that was it and I said well who 254 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:08,370 is your hyung uncle Harold Harold 255 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:11,490 if hland and I looked him up in it Tony 256 00:13:16,220 --> 00:13:14,310 looked him up and we studied it tried to 257 00:13:18,830 --> 00:13:16,230 find out where is this guy from 258 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:18,840 and he was from Dayton Ohio and guess 259 00:13:23,390 --> 00:13:21,150 what he had a bachelor's degree in 260 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:23,400 chemistry from the University of 261 00:13:28,540 --> 00:13:26,190 Michigan he worked for the top-secret 262 00:13:32,510 --> 00:13:28,550 wright-patterson Air Force Base in 263 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Dayton Ohio and that's where they said 264 00:13:37,730 --> 00:13:35,130 the material went to that material 265 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:37,740 winked it was wright-patterson in Ohio 266 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:39,170 so that makes sense 267 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:45,210 totally Wow now on your investigation 268 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:49,350 and searching for you know by the way I 269 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:50,850 think it's fantastic that you're like 270 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:52,800 zeroed in on trying to figure out these 271 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:55,260 people and because that's what you know 272 00:14:01,960 --> 00:13:57,660 I think this needs to happen you know 273 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:01,970 for sure like what have you found 274 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:06,870 recently if anything that somewhat 275 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:12,510 resembles a the rosna Roswell material 276 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:14,700 but is in fact earthly you know what I 277 00:14:21,170 --> 00:14:17,700 mean so this you talked about mylar and 278 00:14:26,540 --> 00:14:21,180 Kevlar yeah now you're gonna enjoy this 279 00:14:29,630 --> 00:14:26,550 i I'm on academic so I approached this 280 00:14:32,350 --> 00:14:29,640 very academically on I took I wrote to a 281 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:32,360 hundred professors of physics chemistry 282 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:35,970 material science and I said without ever 283 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:38,670 sit mentioning Roswell I said what was i 284 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:44,010 holding in my hands in 1965 that existed 285 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:45,690 because I've never seen it again 286 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:50,130 now about half I got 42 responses and 40 287 00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:53,370 and half of those people said I have no 288 00:15:00,260 --> 00:14:57,510 idea there was no such thing that 289 00:15:02,750 --> 00:15:00,270 existed in 1965 that had those 290 00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:02,760 characteristics the ability of a sudden 291 00:15:07,010 --> 00:15:04,560 to crush something and have it open up 292 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:07,020 to its former place is called 293 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:09,690 shape-memory and there are no there's 294 00:15:15,170 --> 00:15:12,930 only one substance called nitinol that 295 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:15,180 has shaped memory but that's not at room 296 00:15:21,770 --> 00:15:19,650 temperature so I bought mylar and Kevlar 297 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:21,780 some people said it was Kevlar one 298 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:24,450 DuPont scientist said it was high trail 299 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:28,110 I bought all these things and none of 300 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:29,110 them 301 00:15:36,510 --> 00:15:35,050 producer of your show I don't know who 302 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:36,520 he was I forgot his name he's in my 303 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:39,930 email he sent me a YouTube video of 304 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:42,360 something that was just recently 305 00:15:49,050 --> 00:15:46,360 developed by someone probably last year 306 00:15:51,810 --> 00:15:49,060 and it's very very close it's the 307 00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:51,820 closest thing I have ever seen but it is 308 00:16:01,920 --> 00:15:55,180 not what I had in my hands in 1965 309 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:01,930 nothing absolutely nothing so by the way 310 00:16:08,390 --> 00:16:06,490 I think the you're talking about rubber 311 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,400 metal right is that what you were saying 312 00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:10,720 it's a yeah that's a very good term for 313 00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:11,830 it rubber metal 314 00:16:17,540 --> 00:16:16,030 I mean aluminized cloth there they call 315 00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:17,550 it different things 316 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:20,740 Wow and so I want to ask you this is 317 00:16:26,730 --> 00:16:23,830 there anything that's come close but 318 00:16:31,290 --> 00:16:26,740 just doesn't have that one thing I mean 319 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:31,300 like absolutely nothing if I have this 320 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:34,750 material I could if you had a shirt made 321 00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:37,540 of this material it would be shiny it 322 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:39,820 would never wrinkle it would never 323 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:42,310 crease if somebody tried to stab you 324 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:44,290 they would never succeed 325 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:49,300 I need that shirt I wonder if it's I'm 326 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:52,090 sure I think that's how Kevlar by the 327 00:16:58,410 --> 00:16:55,900 way and bulletproof vests came the the 328 00:17:00,690 --> 00:16:58,420 government tried to reverse engineer 329 00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:00,700 this material and that's how we got full 330 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:04,360 of push crew vests oh wow 331 00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:09,250 that makes sense yes it does I do you 332 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:19,710 have these other still two studying this 333 00:17:25,949 --> 00:17:23,050 material right now that they reversed it 334 00:17:28,890 --> 00:17:25,959 a little bit more is it still bullish 335 00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:28,900 marks who's they there's total denial 336 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:31,840 about this material there's no no one 337 00:17:36,930 --> 00:17:34,030 talks about this material other than UFO 338 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:36,940 people okay they're easy people like us 339 00:17:39,529 --> 00:17:38,710 Joe will sit at lunch and we talked 340 00:17:42,889 --> 00:17:39,539 about the Roswell 341 00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:42,899 but by the way by the way Tony bara glia 342 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:46,440 and his colleague studied it and the 343 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:49,710 government started an intense research 344 00:17:56,239 --> 00:17:53,850 program on night to gnaw on a material 345 00:17:59,330 --> 00:17:56,249 called nitinol which is made of nickel 346 00:18:02,090 --> 00:17:59,340 and titanium the government got very 347 00:18:04,909 --> 00:18:02,100 interested in titanium in 1948 348 00:18:07,609 --> 00:18:04,919 one year after Roswell probably because 349 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:07,619 this material was made out of nickel and 350 00:18:15,619 --> 00:18:12,690 titanium now I want to ask you because I 351 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:15,629 think you'd probably know I did I I've 352 00:18:19,339 --> 00:18:17,340 spoken to a lot of people and somebody 353 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:19,349 swore up and down to me this is they're 354 00:18:22,999 --> 00:18:21,210 talking about mylar they just saw mylar 355 00:18:27,469 --> 00:18:23,009 they just saw mother I did some research 356 00:18:29,509 --> 00:18:27,479 on mylar and and realize that it I don't 357 00:18:32,479 --> 00:18:29,519 think it was commercially I don't think 358 00:18:34,669 --> 00:18:32,489 it was available in 47 no but it came 359 00:18:36,769 --> 00:18:34,679 out in 65 and I was curious because 360 00:18:38,989 --> 00:18:36,779 that's when I had my material and I 361 00:18:42,499 --> 00:18:38,999 wanted to know more about mylar and 362 00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:42,509 Kevlar but they both crease I'm sorry 363 00:18:49,789 --> 00:18:45,960 they crease I just I think it's amazing 364 00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:49,799 to take something that thin and be able 365 00:18:54,739 --> 00:18:52,830 to just did it make any noise when you 366 00:18:55,099 --> 00:18:54,749 crinkled it did it make any sounds at 367 00:18:58,039 --> 00:18:55,109 all 368 00:19:00,320 --> 00:18:58,049 I don't remember I'm sorry I do not 369 00:19:02,499 --> 00:19:00,330 remember that's okay 370 00:19:07,159 --> 00:19:02,509 I just still think it's absolutely 371 00:19:09,589 --> 00:19:07,169 mind-blowing and so uh now I know that 372 00:19:15,259 --> 00:19:09,599 the girl in your class have you ever 373 00:19:17,210 --> 00:19:15,269 found her no no in fact I said wonder 374 00:19:18,919 --> 00:19:17,220 UFO researchers said why are you just 375 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:18,929 sitting on your ass why don't you try to 376 00:19:24,919 --> 00:19:21,330 find out who she was and I said okay 377 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:24,929 I'll try and I looked and I I said I 378 00:19:28,580 --> 00:19:26,609 thought I'd taught fourth grade and then 379 00:19:32,389 --> 00:19:28,590 I found that there were some alumni of 380 00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,399 this clap ass and they remembered me and 381 00:19:36,589 --> 00:19:34,799 I was their favorite teacher and they 382 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:36,599 said no you taught fifth grade I said 383 00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:38,700 really I didn't remember a single person 384 00:19:43,849 --> 00:19:41,820 in my class I think I was 24 years old 385 00:19:46,879 --> 00:19:43,859 okay how could you answer 386 00:19:49,570 --> 00:19:46,889 yeah and act turns out that one of the 387 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:49,580 girls in the class now these kids are 11 388 00:19:59,100 --> 00:19:51,460 she 389 00:20:01,980 --> 00:19:59,110 they married they had kids and now their 390 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:01,990 grandparents and so they have they've 391 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:04,570 stayed in touch with everybody and this 392 00:20:08,610 --> 00:20:06,730 girl who gave me this and some people in 393 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:08,620 the class remembered this girl brought 394 00:20:14,490 --> 00:20:12,250 this material to class one day and by 395 00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:14,500 and her name is Denise daily and she had 396 00:20:20,909 --> 00:20:17,620 a twin sister named either Patricia or 397 00:20:24,299 --> 00:20:20,919 Veronica daily in another classroom we 398 00:20:26,639 --> 00:20:24,309 have hired I've not hired but a private 399 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:26,649 detective volunteered another private 400 00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:29,140 detective volunteer I must have called 401 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:32,830 28 Denise Daly's look for a twin sister 402 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:33,880 Veronica 403 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:37,330 nothing did in nothing I found one the 404 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:40,210 closest one they said her father was 405 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:42,490 probably in the military she wasn't in 406 00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:46,890 school long and that was my best lead 407 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:50,740 wow man you are serious about this I 408 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:52,390 love it I'm definitely gonna keep 409 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,529 following everything you're doing 410 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:55,360 because you're doing everything I would 411 00:21:01,649 --> 00:20:58,450 conceivably do which is who's that girl 412 00:21:05,389 --> 00:21:01,659 who's she related to doubt let me let me 413 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:05,399 wait so you see there 62 or 63 or 64 414 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:08,950 right now we gotta find her Joe yeah I 415 00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,289 know yeah we do Joe and I we will we 416 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:14,559 will go find her we're gonna go to her 417 00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:17,260 house if we can find if she has a oil 418 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:20,500 maybe she's not spoiled I wonder if she 419 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:23,529 likes stole it from her dad or if her 420 00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,750 dad was like so this is to your teacher 421 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:27,039 what do you how do you think that went 422 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:29,770 down my theory is that I worked out near 423 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,169 Ann Arbor University of Michigan that 424 00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:35,440 was a secret research facility the bear 425 00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:37,980 called the will of one research 426 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:40,840 laboratories I think her father must 427 00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,970 have worked there and had some 428 00:21:48,269 --> 00:21:44,799 connection to write Patterson or Ohio 429 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:48,279 and I tried to research the people who 430 00:21:54,019 --> 00:21:51,010 work there and that was also a dead end 431 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:54,029 I found it daily who worked there but 432 00:22:02,730 --> 00:21:57,730 nothing that I I'm sorry I I wish I 433 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:02,740 could report good news but I can't Wow 434 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:04,169 well we're gonna keep 435 00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:05,700 I was I'm gonna tell you something um 436 00:22:10,849 --> 00:22:09,539 when I watched your when I watched your 437 00:22:13,869 --> 00:22:10,859 online lecture I actually started 438 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:18,139 does she look old enough because I want 439 00:22:21,859 --> 00:22:20,220 to know I want to talk like wait they 440 00:22:27,349 --> 00:22:21,869 get they get married they change their 441 00:22:29,529 --> 00:22:27,359 names that's the problem right yeah so 442 00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:29,539 we have no idea where she went 443 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:35,820 if only to find her and now in your 444 00:22:40,580 --> 00:22:38,090 let's go to your book real quick because 445 00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:40,590 first of all where can people find the 446 00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,419 book so they you know we've got some 447 00:22:46,340 --> 00:22:43,919 people in the chatroom very interested 448 00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:46,350 and if you could tell us where to get 449 00:22:52,629 --> 00:22:49,320 your book and you know is it 450 00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:52,639 downloadable or is it in physical form 451 00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:57,059 it's you just go to kroff KR o th and 452 00:23:02,359 --> 00:22:59,450 you go to Amazon and you say 453 00:23:04,659 --> 00:23:02,369 extraterrestrial contacts and it'll take 454 00:23:07,549 --> 00:23:04,669 you there or Barnes & Noble or I 455 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:07,559 bookstore or Google Books 456 00:23:12,349 --> 00:23:10,049 it's downloadable I think it's about 457 00:23:16,009 --> 00:23:12,359 four or five ninety-nine something like 458 00:23:18,229 --> 00:23:16,019 that and this is the first chapter of 459 00:23:20,659 --> 00:23:18,239 that story because that's how this whole 460 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:20,669 story started I highly recommend people 461 00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:22,470 to get that book let me tell you why 462 00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:26,190 support this gentleman who is spending I 463 00:23:29,659 --> 00:23:27,539 can't even imagine the amount of time 464 00:23:32,989 --> 00:23:29,669 and resources trying to figure this out 465 00:23:34,609 --> 00:23:32,999 and probably the only this the only 466 00:23:37,729 --> 00:23:34,619 person I've ever talked to or no no that 467 00:23:40,249 --> 00:23:37,739 is you know actually held this material 468 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:40,259 now yeah also can you tell us some other 469 00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:44,129 things in your book that is interesting 470 00:23:49,249 --> 00:23:46,220 or notable that we should know about 471 00:23:52,609 --> 00:23:49,259 well that was just chapter one and then 472 00:23:54,979 --> 00:23:52,619 I said well what if Roswell actually 473 00:23:58,460 --> 00:23:54,989 happened what does that mean 474 00:24:02,389 --> 00:23:58,470 that means that the human race are you 475 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:02,399 still there yes we are okay that means 476 00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:04,769 that the human race has been in contact 477 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:08,700 with an extraterrestrial culture that is 478 00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:12,690 the biggest story of the human race in 479 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:17,099 our 150,000 year history it is there is 480 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:17,850 no big 481 00:24:24,050 --> 00:24:21,050 story than that so it's either false or 482 00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:24,060 it is the biggest story of our lifetime 483 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:28,020 there is no gray area it's either false 484 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:30,170 or it's either left or right so 485 00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:32,490 beginning with that I said okay let's 486 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:34,860 take a look at the UFO stories there's a 487 00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:38,940 lot of crackpot stories and what makes a 488 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:42,620 good UFO story I said in Chapter two 489 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:45,690 corroboration if well one person saw a 490 00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:48,930 thing that's great but if 75 people saw 491 00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:53,340 it by the way there are 78 witnesses to 492 00:24:59,660 --> 00:24:57,360 the Roswell event in my book 78 people 493 00:25:02,240 --> 00:24:59,670 either saw the bodies or they saw the 494 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:02,250 material or they were part of the 495 00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:04,770 cover-up or they they were part of the 496 00:25:10,060 --> 00:25:07,470 caskets that they brought with it or 497 00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,070 they flew the bodies there are 78 people 498 00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:12,840 some of them assigned deathbed 499 00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,750 confessions that's a that's a lot of 500 00:25:24,380 --> 00:25:18,960 corroborating testimony don't you think 501 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:24,390 oh absolutely absolutely 502 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:26,370 I mean the fact that you've compiled all 503 00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:30,540 that together in the book yes now I want 504 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:32,520 to ask you just really quickly on the 505 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:35,730 topic of the crash and all that Jo is 506 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:38,580 falling asleep anyway okay don't fall 507 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:38,970 asleep 508 00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:40,890 honestly it's me it's when I start 509 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:44,880 talking it's not you now I had this well 510 00:25:49,810 --> 00:25:46,290 Joe and I we were talking about this on 511 00:25:53,270 --> 00:25:49,820 the last show where the Roswell story 512 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:53,280 seemed so simple at first oh well not 513 00:25:58,910 --> 00:25:55,290 simple I mean it's a complicated story 514 00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:58,920 but I mean the narrative which was you 515 00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:01,380 know a UFO crashed on earth during a 516 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:05,460 thunderstorm and Foyle and I beams and 517 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:08,820 aliens were recovered and went to 518 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:11,310 wright-patterson and I wanted to ask you 519 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:15,750 in your research and you know figuring 520 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,050 out the eyewitnesses that were there 521 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:21,840 were the accounting website with a story 522 00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:24,870 where the aliens were supposedly 523 00:26:30,450 --> 00:26:29,160 retrieved is that a separate story from 524 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:30,460 the pea 525 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:33,970 who handled say the foil and the i-beams 526 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,610 or are both of those stories kind of 527 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:39,760 connected in the same event in the same 528 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:43,090 place well the people who collected the 529 00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:45,280 material there were two allegedly ten 530 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,620 pieces of this material and the 531 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:49,840 government made a very strong effort to 532 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:51,910 collect absolutely everything but a 533 00:26:59,490 --> 00:26:54,610 couple pieces of this material escaped 534 00:27:01,740 --> 00:26:59,500 and one kid in New Mexico I used to do 535 00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:01,750 magic tricks with it and he would take 536 00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:04,990 it out and show people and crush it up 537 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:06,520 and it would do this and that and do 538 00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:09,250 this it's normal stuff and so that there 539 00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:11,080 was at least one piece of material that 540 00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:16,150 the government never managed to grab so 541 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,140 the material that I had I believe this 542 00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:22,240 girl's father must have worked for the 543 00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:23,860 military and he said why don't you just 544 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:26,500 show this to your teacher and bring it 545 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:28,750 home to me the same way uncle Harold 546 00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:32,530 if 'ln showed the material to his his 547 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:35,320 nice people I mean this was a very 548 00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:38,110 fascinating material it was like magic 549 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,780 there is no such material in the world 550 00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:43,360 and and when you hold it you never 551 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:45,220 forget that you never forget the 552 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:48,010 experience but the other people in the 553 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:51,160 at Roswell who either who saw the bodies 554 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:53,770 or who transported the bodies they may 555 00:27:57,570 --> 00:27:55,390 not have come in contact with the 556 00:28:02,250 --> 00:27:57,580 material at all people had different 557 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:02,260 functions interesting and have you come 558 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:04,270 to any kind of understanding is whether 559 00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,430 there was one crash site or two crash 560 00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:09,840 sites or one disk or two disks have you 561 00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,920 looked into that at all because there's 562 00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:13,360 a lot of speculation on whether it was 563 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:15,700 one ship or two or three they crashed I 564 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:18,400 know there's there's so much controversy 565 00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:21,130 the the guy who who wrote reported this 566 00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:25,540 story Philip Roth Philip Corso has been 567 00:28:30,930 --> 00:28:28,960 so completely debunked I'm embarrassed 568 00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:30,940 to even mention his name because people 569 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:33,820 think he was a crackpot and a nutcase 570 00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:37,510 and yet he's the one who told who wrote 571 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:41,620 a book which informed me and reminded me 572 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:43,900 of my experience so I don't dismiss 573 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:47,500 but a lot of people including very very 574 00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:50,380 reputable UFO researchers say the man 575 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:54,100 was a fraud so I mean there's every turn 576 00:29:00,330 --> 00:28:57,130 you make on this story you run into 577 00:29:02,670 --> 00:29:00,340 truth or not truth or falsehood fake or 578 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:02,680 not fake and it's very difficult to find 579 00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:05,590 the truth in my belief my belief from my 580 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:08,350 own research is Roswell happened the 581 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:11,260 government concealed it Barry Goldwater 582 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:13,990 the senator was right they are holding 583 00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:16,840 this information at wright-patterson he 584 00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:18,670 believed that they were doing it they're 585 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:20,620 hiding it from the public and they're 586 00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:23,170 doing for good reason they believe that 587 00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:25,470 if they told the public that UFOs 588 00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:28,900 contacted humanity it would cause a bit 589 00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:32,350 of a crisis like what exactly I think 590 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:34,600 for me personally I think that it would 591 00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:38,020 definitely in religion I don't know if 592 00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,820 it would end early I mean the Catholic 593 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:41,679 Church is already studying this problem 594 00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:44,530 I don't think it would end religion it 595 00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:46,990 would just mean that it would scare 596 00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:49,980 people it would scare to panic you think 597 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:53,920 no but they would they would get it 598 00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:56,170 would be destabilizing do you know that 599 00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:57,700 the government do you know anything 600 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:01,120 about the I forget the name of it the 601 00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:03,370 was a study that was done by the RAND 602 00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:06,550 Corporation in the 1950s the government 603 00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,670 commissioned a study about what would 604 00:30:14,299 --> 00:30:11,679 happen if we told the people UFOs 605 00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:14,309 existed oh wow 606 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:16,780 well why would they do that unless they 607 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:18,370 had some reason to do that 608 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:21,580 exactly but the RAND Corporation said do 609 00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:24,370 not tell them it will cause too much 610 00:30:33,419 --> 00:30:31,900 panic yeah do you think we're ready for 611 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:33,429 it now do you think that the people 612 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:36,460 could know that okay guys look Roswell 613 00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:39,640 was 70 years ago you know you know I 614 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:41,020 think people could handle it what do you 615 00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:45,970 think personally I'm not so sure okay 616 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:49,120 okay I think I'd be I'd handle it funny 617 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:51,010 I think you'd probably be so shocked you 618 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:53,950 wouldn't know what to do like I guess 619 00:30:58,140 --> 00:30:55,210 the question is what would be a 620 00:31:00,900 --> 00:30:58,150 disclosure than Joe 621 00:31:03,210 --> 00:31:00,910 you know oh sorry 622 00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:03,220 if you think about it if you think well 623 00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:05,500 what if we accepted that then wait a 624 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:09,040 minute the origins of the human race if 625 00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:11,140 there were extraterrestrials involved 626 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:15,400 with us did they mess with us did they 627 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:18,250 mess with our DNA did they have anything 628 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:21,610 to do with the evolution of Homo sapiens 629 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,290 I mean we've been here for almost one 630 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,120 hundred hundred and ninety six thousand 631 00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:27,520 years good point and and we started to 632 00:31:32,730 --> 00:31:29,680 get smart only about ten thousand years 633 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:32,740 ago did they I mean all of the old 634 00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:35,710 ancient cultures talk about the gods who 635 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:38,230 came from the stars the Egyptians the 636 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,410 Sumerians so what if that we all we 637 00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:43,120 treat that as fantasy what if that was 638 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:45,400 real what if right what if all those 639 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:49,450 stories were actually true it would 640 00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:51,910 change our history our mythology our 641 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,980 understanding of ourselves our 642 00:31:59,270 --> 00:31:56,320 understandings of the evolution of our 643 00:32:02,370 --> 00:31:59,280 species it would change everything I 644 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:02,380 agree I do feel in a way in a lot of 645 00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,710 ways yeah that word like so we are stuck 646 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:08,320 in a in a bubble that people want us to 647 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:11,350 be and I mean you know we're we're 648 00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:13,030 constantly checking our phones we're 649 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:14,500 constantly moving on to the next thing 650 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:16,450 you got to pick up the kids you gotta go 651 00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:17,890 to work you got to in school you gotta 652 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:19,780 clean the house there's really no time 653 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:23,020 really I think the average person nor do 654 00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:25,480 they care to even think about it 655 00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:28,600 you know I so what's going on really so 656 00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:30,700 I do agree with you I do feel like we 657 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:32,560 are indeed stuck in some kind of 658 00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:35,530 information bubble almost like we're in 659 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,960 the age of deceit or in the age of 660 00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:40,240 misinformation about who we are where we 661 00:32:44,670 --> 00:32:42,430 come from and you know potentially where 662 00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:44,680 we'd be going and I want to ask you this 663 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:48,400 because one of our chatters said you 664 00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:50,560 know one of the theories would be I 665 00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:52,390 don't know if you've heard this that the 666 00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:54,100 Roswell incident was actually time 667 00:33:00,510 --> 00:32:57,640 travelers that came from the past have 668 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:00,520 you heard this no okay there is a 669 00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:02,050 gentleman I'll have to get his name for 670 00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:04,540 you that claims he's the one that 671 00:33:09,310 --> 00:33:07,720 designed the Roswell ship that crashed 672 00:33:11,259 --> 00:33:09,320 and that he has a mish 673 00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,269 to make sure he finishes it so that it 674 00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:13,279 goes back in time to keep the story 675 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:18,080 going so it all gets so crazy but I 676 00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:19,610 wanted to know do you think that's 677 00:33:24,009 --> 00:33:21,500 possible I mean if we're talking about 678 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:24,019 aliens is it possible maybe we could be 679 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:27,769 considering time travelers well I'm have 680 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,409 to tell you that I strangers I'm 681 00:33:35,529 --> 00:33:33,440 considered probably quite weird but I'm 682 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:35,539 very conservative on these issues so 683 00:33:41,259 --> 00:33:39,110 there are so many strange theories out 684 00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,269 there and people who are in touch with 685 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:44,240 aliens and who are interpreting crop 686 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:48,409 circles that I I avoid yes this oh so 687 00:33:56,019 --> 00:33:51,049 much that you I'm kind of embarrassed to 688 00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:56,029 even tell you how I I sort out that junk 689 00:34:03,009 --> 00:33:59,570 and try to try to find the jewels amidst 690 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:03,019 the junk and so I have to say that I 691 00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:05,750 don't go for that I think that I did 692 00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,440 think well if there was there by the way 693 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:11,599 there are some distinguished physicists 694 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:14,450 like Macau I can't pronounce his name 695 00:34:19,059 --> 00:34:16,609 he's a quantum physicist who believes 696 00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:19,069 that the aliens have bases on the Dark 697 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:21,560 Side of the Moon and that they are 698 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,540 frequently that's where they're based 699 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:26,240 and they frequently patrol the earth and 700 00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:29,510 there are a number of solid people who 701 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:32,300 believe that that's true and so where 702 00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:35,089 did they come from and if they it take 703 00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,879 if they came from the Orion belt which 704 00:34:45,849 --> 00:34:40,399 is where Egyptian mythology puts them 705 00:34:49,450 --> 00:34:45,859 that's 1,200 light-years away Sirius the 706 00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,460 star Sirius and that constellation of 707 00:34:55,329 --> 00:34:52,480 stars seems like a more likely place 708 00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:55,339 because that so I could be loved a lot 709 00:35:02,380 --> 00:34:58,730 fewer light years so where they're from 710 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:02,390 we don't know but there are there there 711 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:05,710 are reasonable and logical possibilities 712 00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:08,810 and which do not involve time travel 713 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:11,420 that could explain how they got here 714 00:35:18,099 --> 00:35:13,910 then there might take them a few hundred 715 00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:18,109 years to go back and forth yeah by the 716 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:21,260 way you said you felt you're embarrassed 717 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:22,510 or something to tell how you 718 00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:24,790 sorted out I would love to know because 719 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:26,920 that's well Joe and I we're always 720 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:31,240 trying to sort this stuff out so you 721 00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:33,880 know like maybe apart from crop circles 722 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:37,600 as one of our chat room guests is asking 723 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:41,650 is there anything else that you think it 724 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:45,130 doesn't fit the narrative or or as a 725 00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:47,050 hoax I guess you could say or just a 726 00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:48,220 bunch of BS is there anything in 727 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,740 particular that you go okay because I 728 00:35:57,090 --> 00:35:53,680 can even feel you know like the mummies 729 00:35:59,340 --> 00:35:57,100 in Peru that they dug up that's that's 730 00:36:00,720 --> 00:35:59,350 it supposedly a huge hoax that's 731 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:00,730 obviously not true anything like that 732 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:04,390 well I studied the mummies too they have 733 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:07,810 the aunt elongated skulls and now 734 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:09,910 there's one guy who has a bachelor's 735 00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:13,330 degree who says he's a geneticist and 736 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:16,870 these mummies don't have human DNA well 737 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:19,990 that's pretty arrogant for a guy with a 738 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:23,260 bachelor's degree to say but that what's 739 00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:26,710 true is that the skulls do exist they 740 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:28,360 have elongated heads 741 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:34,330 Siberian skulls have elongated skulls 742 00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:38,590 why and I my theory is that the aliens 743 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:42,880 had elongated skulls and that human 744 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:45,250 beings copied them especially the 745 00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:48,190 Egyptian pharaohs Akhenaten and his 746 00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:51,700 children and so they they tried to 747 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:55,660 emulate or copy then the the structure 748 00:37:02,520 --> 00:36:58,210 of the what the aliens looked like and 749 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,530 so this weird culture of creating 750 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:05,400 children who have elongated skulls 751 00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:08,050 there's a long history of it and that is 752 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:09,060 in fact true 753 00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:11,530 yeah I've said I was talking about 754 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:14,260 specifically the recent they they I 755 00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:16,120 guess they dug up like three mummies 756 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:18,940 have you heard of this I think it's a 757 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:20,770 hoax I checked I always check all this 758 00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:23,890 stuff with my friend Tony Barbour oddly 759 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:27,520 he's good to read he's very shy but he's 760 00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:30,430 a really good researcher and he says 761 00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,590 it's all phony it's all hoax so I 762 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:34,920 believed them 763 00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,470 yeah so you're a very very smart man by 764 00:37:46,579 --> 00:37:42,720 the way I'm loving speaking with you and 765 00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:46,589 just to kind of move off into another 766 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,440 direction about ufology I had noticed 767 00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:51,720 would it be right to say that you were 768 00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,140 pretty active and took a break or have 769 00:38:00,049 --> 00:37:56,880 you been consistently involved kind of 770 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:00,059 in this space for a while no I'm uh I'm 771 00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,210 out interloper I come and I go I'd say I 772 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:05,640 got involved in this and then I go on to 773 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:07,650 something else I'm not part of the 774 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:10,530 community of us ologists yes because I 775 00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:11,730 want to talk about that what do you 776 00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:14,579 think is the biggest I mean as you're 777 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:16,140 coming and going I mean you know you're 778 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,849 getting different you know snippets of 779 00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:19,680 what's going on in in the world of 780 00:38:26,859 --> 00:38:22,680 ufology what do you think is the biggest 781 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:26,869 issue right now in the world of ufology 782 00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:29,609 government secrecy and repression of the 783 00:38:35,059 --> 00:38:32,940 of the truth that's the biggest one I 784 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:35,069 mean the fact that the government it is 785 00:38:40,549 --> 00:38:37,890 the to one or one person I forgot his 786 00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:40,559 name but I didn't my book it is the 787 00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:43,920 biggest secret in the United States of 788 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:47,400 America and has been the biggest secret 789 00:38:54,730 --> 00:38:51,569 of all time yeah and so when you think 790 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:54,740 about its significance and what it means 791 00:39:01,099 --> 00:38:58,410 it that makes sense 792 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:01,109 there are even generals you know when 793 00:39:05,809 --> 00:39:03,089 Barry Goldwater asked his good friend 794 00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:05,819 Curtis LeMay can I go into the green 795 00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:08,280 room and were right Patterson and see 796 00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,150 the alien bodies right general Curtis 797 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:14,160 LeMay who was the chairman of the Joint 798 00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:17,490 Chiefs of Staff how much higher can you 799 00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:20,579 go he said don't you ever [\h__\h] ask me 800 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:23,160 that I'm sorry I used that word yes yes 801 00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:26,730 the F word [\h__\h] say it again he said 802 00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:29,430 don't you ever ever say ask me that 803 00:39:35,059 --> 00:39:32,579 question again you son of a [\h__\h] he C 804 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,069 columella he swore at him and it's like 805 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:37,619 okay I mean obviously the guy knew 806 00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:39,960 something there but there are generals 807 00:39:44,059 --> 00:39:41,640 in the government who don't know what 808 00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,069 other generals know there's a great book 809 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:46,150 by a lady 810 00:39:52,339 --> 00:39:49,510 called the generals UFOs and 811 00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:52,349 something-or-other she's in my book I 812 00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:55,000 didn't meet I forgot her name now it's 813 00:39:58,769 --> 00:39:56,920 not in front of me that's it was 814 00:40:00,779 --> 00:39:58,779 published by Random so I was very very 815 00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:00,789 good book she says that there are so 816 00:40:04,769 --> 00:40:02,380 many pockets of secrecy of the 817 00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,779 government one arm of government doesn't 818 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:07,119 know what the other government doesn't 819 00:40:13,289 --> 00:40:11,380 know I've agreed Joe would agree oh yeah 820 00:40:16,589 --> 00:40:13,299 but I want to ask you this it's just 821 00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:16,599 want to run this by you before I let you 822 00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:17,680 go because we're just down to a few 823 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:19,990 minutes here I just wanted to say I 824 00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:23,260 think we've got obviously the cover-up 825 00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:25,000 we've got the secret see we've got the 826 00:40:29,789 --> 00:40:27,910 line I think on the I was thinking in 827 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:29,799 Joe and I talked about this on in the 828 00:40:34,769 --> 00:40:31,660 ufology world today it seems very much 829 00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:34,779 the people involved the leaders the 830 00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:36,849 speaking heads the people that we go to 831 00:40:42,839 --> 00:40:39,940 for information there seems to be very 832 00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:42,849 kind of religious feeling to ufology 833 00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:44,980 right now whereas you know who you 834 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:46,569 following rifling corey good are you 835 00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:48,130 following dr. Greer are you you know 836 00:40:52,529 --> 00:40:49,660 there's all these people who are 837 00:40:54,329 --> 00:40:52,539 claiming to have this truth as an 838 00:40:55,859 --> 00:40:54,339 example Cory good I'm sure you're 839 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:55,869 familiar with that name was just on 840 00:41:00,359 --> 00:40:58,450 ancient aliens talking about being in a 841 00:41:02,190 --> 00:41:00,369 secret space program and that sort of 842 00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:02,200 thing I just want to get your thought on 843 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:05,380 these people that are coming out and you 844 00:41:10,829 --> 00:41:07,710 know getting making a living and getting 845 00:41:15,329 --> 00:41:10,839 you know put on a pedestal so to speak 846 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:15,339 who are it's it's I really feel it's 847 00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:17,410 like a religious vibe it's like follow 848 00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:19,960 me it's and when you go to some of you 849 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:22,660 UFO events you kind of feel that too and 850 00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:24,010 I just want to kind of get your thoughts 851 00:41:29,819 --> 00:41:26,619 on that my feeling is that they're just 852 00:41:33,059 --> 00:41:29,829 watching they're not interacting they 853 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:33,069 have not contacted they are not there's 854 00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:37,089 no connection between them they are 855 00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:39,460 attempting to communicate yes I am I 856 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:42,430 yeah I believe crop circles is the 857 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:45,609 medium that they're using and if you are 858 00:41:50,339 --> 00:41:47,950 they're very every time you try to 859 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:50,349 interpret a crop circle people call it 860 00:41:55,799 --> 00:41:53,410 crazy but in my book I've interpreted 861 00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:55,809 three or four with scientific 862 00:41:59,820 --> 00:41:58,690 consultants and it's really kind of 863 00:42:01,860 --> 00:41:59,830 scary there's their sin 864 00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:01,870 yes warnings about global warming and 865 00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,590 about our abuse of the planet but other 866 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:08,560 than that I love what Steven very did on 867 00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:11,080 his disclosure project I thought that 868 00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:13,750 was a great contribution as far as his 869 00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:16,180 meditations and things attempt to 870 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,670 communicate with them I'm looking at 871 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:21,280 that but I don't see anything convincing 872 00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:22,810 and so well we were there in there in 873 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:24,070 the desert when he was doing it it was 874 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:25,720 really weird he's speaking in tongues 875 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:28,110 and stuff we went to an event he was at 876 00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:30,850 and we got to shake his hand and he went 877 00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:32,320 to the bathroom and he had six security 878 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:33,790 guards to go pee I always tell this 879 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:39,910 story but why why why oh my gosh dr. 880 00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:45,580 Greer is he that paranoid that guy is I 881 00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:47,590 don't know if he's paranoid or if he's 882 00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:49,300 just bringing attention I don't know but 883 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:51,190 the guy is constantly surrounded in 884 00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:53,110 security guards I mean like I go and I 885 00:42:57,180 --> 00:42:55,030 when we saw only two last event we did 886 00:42:59,310 --> 00:42:57,190 like break through and be like can we 887 00:43:01,410 --> 00:42:59,320 please have a picture with you 888 00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:01,420 he's just an interesting person and I'll 889 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:03,190 tell you he kind of started losing me 890 00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:04,650 and Joe when he started talking about 891 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:08,590 the how he asked for projects to other 892 00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:13,810 planets and that's that's that's where I 893 00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:16,840 get off to write I we by the way I gave 894 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:25,710 dr. Curran started in ER retro I just 895 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:26,740 want you know we've got about a minute 896 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:30,010 left so if we could wrap up at about 15 897 00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:31,930 seconds to 30 seconds I'd be awesome I 898 00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:34,990 met some good people who I believe who 899 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:37,540 are honest who've had encounters and I 900 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:39,850 believe them and that's the raw data 901 00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:42,490 that I think is that you take home with 902 00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:45,310 you I think I think we're on the same 903 00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:47,590 page oh yeah we want to thank you so 904 00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:49,240 much dr. Krauss for being on our show 905 00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:50,980 and you know we're a little silly but we 906 00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:52,600 do take the topic seriously and we like 907 00:43:57,330 --> 00:43:54,790 to have you know a good conversation 908 00:43:58,650 --> 00:43:57,340 about these things and we are just for 909 00:44:01,350 --> 00:43:58,660 anybody listening we're definitely going 910 00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:01,360 to post a link to buy the book yeah and 911 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,790 also that a lecture on YouTube so thank 912 00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:05,890 you so much dr. Khurana you were my sure 913 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:09,220 being your soul yes would definitely be 914 00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:12,460 on again okay dude thanks sure that was 915 00:44:17,970 --> 00:44:13,560 awesome 916 00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:17,980 holy moly uh I feel so official I talked 917 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:19,630 to somebody with a PhD that I didn't 918 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:21,010 have to trek around in the bathroom and 919 00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:23,770 get through security guards all right 920 00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:27,340 well if you guys liked this thumb it up 921 00:44:33,090 --> 00:44:29,620 thumb it down thumb it up thumb it down 922 00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:33,100 liked it subscribe follow link the bell 923 00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:36,550 ring the bell or what room but we had a 924 00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:38,080 blast thank you to all of our chatters 925 00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:40,870 Paul Curtis you've been absolutely 926 00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:43,240 fantastic in in contributing to this 927 00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:45,220 conversation we appreciate you well we 928 00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:49,060 got to go everybody on in it Joe and we 929 00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:52,060 are the you I'll see you next time when